Comments for Learn Italian http://ohalc.com Wed, 06 Jan 2010 02:55:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 Comment on Is it easier to learn spanish before learning how to speak Italian? by Lorenzo http://ohalc.com/learning-italian/is-it-easier-to-learn-spanish-before-learning-how-to-speak-italian/comment-page-1#comment-36 Lorenzo Wed, 06 Jan 2010 02:55:18 +0000 http://ohalc.com/learning-italian/is-it-easier-to-learn-spanish-before-learning-how-to-speak-italian#comment-36 Sorry to argue on what you said, but your theory about the evolution of languages is TOTALLY wrong. the three languages evolved simultaneously after the fall of the roman empire, each of them had pre-latin roots that were still alive plus they absorbed all the different influnces coming from the different barbarian tribes that occupied europe. I'm Italian and about it I can tell you that the use of vulgar latin started already during the empire time, it evolved during the dark ages and in 1300 it was finally recognized (With Dante Alighieri's Divine Comedy) as a proper language. But if you try to read the Divina Commedia you'll find it substantially different from modern italian because it kept slightly evolving during the centuries. French and Spanish followed the same process with different results. I can also tell you that the grammar is the same but french and spanish have abandoned many elegant forms (tenses etc.) that we still use and that make you understand who's ignorant or foreigner after a few sentences. Also during middleages and renaissence writers like Dante or Cavalcanti, Guinizzelli, Boccaccio kind of "built" italian trying to make it good, smooth and good sounding...up to you to say if they did a good job or not! ;) ciao! Sorry to argue on what you said, but your theory about the evolution of languages is TOTALLY wrong. the three languages evolved simultaneously after the fall of the roman empire, each of them had pre-latin roots that were still alive plus they absorbed all the different influnces coming from the different barbarian tribes that occupied europe. I’m Italian and about it I can tell you that the use of vulgar latin started already during the empire time, it evolved during the dark ages and in 1300 it was finally recognized (With Dante Alighieri’s Divine Comedy) as a proper language. But if you try to read the Divina Commedia you’ll find it substantially different from modern italian because it kept slightly evolving during the centuries. French and Spanish followed the same process with different results. I can also tell you that the grammar is the same but french and spanish have abandoned many elegant forms (tenses etc.) that we still use and that make you understand who’s ignorant or foreigner after a few sentences. Also during middleages and renaissence writers like Dante or Cavalcanti, Guinizzelli, Boccaccio kind of “built” italian trying to make it good, smooth and good sounding…up to you to say if they did a good job or not! ;)
ciao!

]]> Comment on What are the advantages of learning Italian ? by ragazzotuo http://ohalc.com/learning-italian/what-are-the-advantages-of-learning-italian/comment-page-1#comment-24 ragazzotuo Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:24:59 +0000 http://ohalc.com/learning-italian/what-are-the-advantages-of-learning-italian#comment-24 OMG, italian is NOT A WASTE OF TIME!!!!! but i totally believe you that someone on here would say that. everytime there is a question like 'how do you say this in any language?' or 'what language do you speak?' when me or other people say italian, people will thumb us down for no reason! italian is NOT a waste of time, they assume that because it is very close to latin, that italian is dead like latin. NOT SO!!!!!! and i went on vacation to california and i came into contact w/ many italians that spoke it!!! i swear!!! not to mention, i speak it!!! and i have italian family living in california (more in italy though). but also another misconception is that italian is only spoken in italy. italian is spoken in italy, switserland, the us, canada, argentina, france, germany, greece, even a little in africa and austrailia!!! it is only MOSTLY spoken in italy. but you should find SOME italian speakers evrywhere you go in the world. for crying out loud i found some in california!!!!! 70 million italian speakers in the world are still a lot of people to talk to! lol italian is beautiful!!! whoever said it is a waste is just jealous because they know everyone wants to vacation in italy or learn the language. not very many people WANT to learn say like spanish, they just do because they need it. ITALIAN IS JUST AS BEAUTIFUL AS CHINESE, SPANISH AND FRENCH!!!!! it is no less! it is beautiful, it is cool, and hip and chic, and wonderful, how dare they call it a waste of time!!!!!! it is not the worst language on earth!!!!!!!!!!!! i dedicate this song to italian: Non è giusto, non è vero Non è un mostraccione solo un poveraccio ma in italiano se di più, l'italiano ha molto più! OHHH!!!! and also, consider this: if italian is such a waste of time, why is it the 3rd or 4th most commonly taught language in the u.s.? do tell me!!! ANDDDD, if you know italian, you can actually get some!!! oh and PS!!!: dude, you seriously need to call child services on your abusive parents!!!! regarding marla's answer: NEVER.....EVER use spanish as a substitute for italian. never ever just assume you can speak streight spanish in italy and italians will understand you 99%. they are not THAT similar. they are similar, but there are more differences than similarities. marla's answer is the equivalent of saying "well, english and german are both germanic languages and are very similar. so i guess that means when i go to germany this summer, i'll just speak english to the germans, and they'll understand english 99%.' italian and spanish are NOT the same language, neither are they almost the same. think i'm bulshìtting?: let's compare! english: My head hurts. italian: La mia testa fa male. french: Ma tête fai mal. spanish: Mi cabeza duele. Put it on the table. Mettelo sul tavolo. Mette-vous sur table. Ponelo en la mesa. Look at my face. Guarda la mia faccia. Reguarde-vous ma face. Mira mi cara. My sister is beautiful. Mia sorella è bella. Ma soeur est belle. Mi hermana es hermosa. more più plus más again ancora encore otra vez too much troppo trop demasiado cousin cugino cousin primo etc. italian and french are SO MUCH closer: 1. italian and french share 89% lexical similarity 2. italian - catalan: 87% 3. italian - sardinian: 85% 4. italian - SPANISH: 82% 5. italian - rheto-romance and portugues: 78% 6. italian - romanian: 77% don't just assume spanish italian are practically the same. spanish is only the FOURTH closest to italian, AFTER french, catalan, and sardinian!<br><b>References : </b><br>parlo italiano...in ogni senso. OMG, italian is NOT A WASTE OF TIME!!!!! but i totally believe you that someone on here would say that. everytime there is a question like ‘how do you say this in any language?’ or ‘what language do you speak?’ when me or other people say italian, people will thumb us down for no reason! italian is NOT a waste of time, they assume that because it is very close to latin, that italian is dead like latin. NOT SO!!!!!! and i went on vacation to california and i came into contact w/ many italians that spoke it!!! i swear!!! not to mention, i speak it!!! and i have italian family living in california (more in italy though). but also another misconception is that italian is only spoken in italy. italian is spoken in italy, switserland, the us, canada, argentina, france, germany, greece, even a little in africa and austrailia!!! it is only MOSTLY spoken in italy. but you should find SOME italian speakers evrywhere you go in the world. for crying out loud i found some in california!!!!! 70 million italian speakers in the world are still a lot of people to talk to! lol italian is beautiful!!! whoever said it is a waste is just jealous because they know everyone wants to vacation in italy or learn the language. not very many people WANT to learn say like spanish, they just do because they need it. ITALIAN IS JUST AS BEAUTIFUL AS CHINESE, SPANISH AND FRENCH!!!!! it is no less! it is beautiful, it is cool, and hip and chic, and wonderful, how dare they call it a waste of time!!!!!! it is not the worst language on earth!!!!!!!!!!!!

i dedicate this song to italian:

Non è giusto, non è vero
Non è un mostraccione
solo un poveraccio
ma in italiano
se di più, l’italiano ha molto più!

OHHH!!!! and also, consider this: if italian is such a waste of time, why is it the 3rd or 4th most commonly taught language in the u.s.? do tell me!!! ANDDDD, if you know italian, you can actually get some!!!

oh and PS!!!: dude, you seriously need to call child services on your abusive parents!!!!

regarding marla’s answer: NEVER…..EVER use spanish as a substitute for italian. never ever just assume you can speak streight spanish in italy and italians will understand you 99%. they are not THAT similar. they are similar, but there are more differences than similarities. marla’s answer is the equivalent of saying "well, english and german are both germanic languages and are very similar. so i guess that means when i go to germany this summer, i’ll just speak english to the germans, and they’ll understand english 99%.’ italian and spanish are NOT the same language, neither are they almost the same. think i’m bulshìtting?:

let’s compare!

english: My head hurts.

italian: La mia testa fa male.

french: Ma tête fai mal.

spanish: Mi cabeza duele.

Put it on the table.

Mettelo sul tavolo.

Mette-vous sur table.

Ponelo en la mesa.

Look at my face.

Guarda la mia faccia.

Reguarde-vous ma face.

Mira mi cara.

My sister is beautiful.

Mia sorella è bella.

Ma soeur est belle.

Mi hermana es hermosa.

more
più
plus
más

again
ancora
encore
otra vez

too much
troppo
trop
demasiado

cousin
cugino
cousin
primo

etc.

italian and french are SO MUCH closer:

1. italian and french share 89% lexical similarity
2. italian – catalan: 87%
3. italian – sardinian: 85%
4. italian – SPANISH: 82%
5. italian – rheto-romance and portugues: 78%
6. italian – romanian: 77%

don’t just assume spanish italian are practically the same. spanish is only the FOURTH closest to italian, AFTER french, catalan, and sardinian!
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parlo italiano…in ogni senso.

]]> Comment on Is it easier to learn spanish before learning how to speak Italian? by taiketsu/ showdown master http://ohalc.com/learning-italian/is-it-easier-to-learn-spanish-before-learning-how-to-speak-italian/comment-page-1#comment-16 taiketsu/ showdown master Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:15:59 +0000 http://ohalc.com/learning-italian/is-it-easier-to-learn-spanish-before-learning-how-to-speak-italian#comment-16 Well ultimatley its your choice but heed these words. If you take Spanish first and master it, the CLOSEST and EASIEST language for a spanish speaker to learn is Italian. Of course there are others like french, portuguese etc.. but Italian is easier than all those for a spanish speaker. You can also do it vice versa, learn Italian first than spanish. But DO NOT try to learn them at the same time. If you do that you will be confused and have 2 languages with such similarity and could get mixed up when speaking or using them. As well as the fact that you must take time to master one than move on to actually make progress. And so what if they don't offer Italian at your school? I know spanish, english and I'm learning japanese. They don't offer japanese at my school. What you should do which is what I did was to immerse myself in japanese grammar books, vocabulary books, dictionaries, writing books, language cds, and anything else that would help. As well as listen to japanese music, watch movies in japanese, and buy comics in japanese to help me hear and familiarize myself with the language. You should do the same with Italian. See if you can also find a teacher like I did. If you want to learn Italian you can do it. Basically I know spanish and I can still read A LITTLE Italian. The words are similar but with some twists from spanish. EX. SPANISH: Night: NOCHE ITALIAN: NIGHT: NOTTE See? It's similar. Good luck with learning whichever one! By the way, how did you get your screen name like this?? ????? ?Giannaaa? ????? Kind of cool<br><b>References : </b><br>Itaria go wa omoshiroi gengo da yo! Well ultimatley its your choice but heed these words. If you take Spanish first and master it, the CLOSEST and EASIEST language for a spanish speaker to learn is Italian. Of course there are others like french, portuguese etc.. but Italian is easier than all those for a spanish speaker. You can also do it vice versa, learn Italian first than spanish. But DO NOT try to learn them at the same time. If you do that you will be confused and have 2 languages with such similarity and could get mixed up when speaking or using them. As well as the fact that you must take time to master one than move on to actually make progress. And so what if they don’t offer Italian at your school? I know spanish, english and I’m learning japanese. They don’t offer japanese at my school. What you should do which is what I did was to immerse myself in japanese grammar books, vocabulary books, dictionaries, writing books, language cds, and anything else that would help. As well as listen to japanese music, watch movies in japanese, and buy comics in japanese to help me hear and familiarize myself with the language. You should do the same with Italian. See if you can also find a teacher like I did. If you want to learn Italian you can do it. Basically I know spanish and I can still read A LITTLE Italian. The words are similar but with some twists from spanish.

EX. SPANISH: Night: NOCHE
ITALIAN: NIGHT: NOTTE

See? It’s similar. Good luck with learning whichever one!

By the way, how did you get your screen name like this??

????? ?Giannaaa? ?????
Kind of cool
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Itaria go wa omoshiroi gengo da yo!

]]> Comment on What are the advantages of learning Italian ? by Dios es amor http://ohalc.com/learning-italian/what-are-the-advantages-of-learning-italian/comment-page-1#comment-23 Dios es amor Wed, 30 Dec 2009 09:07:59 +0000 http://ohalc.com/learning-italian/what-are-the-advantages-of-learning-italian#comment-23 Well, you can order pizza, spaghetti, ravioli, or similar in the original Seriously, you can understand opera, read the writings of Saint Francis in the original , or La Divina Comedia<br><b>References : </b><br> Well, you can order pizza, spaghetti, ravioli, or similar in the original

Seriously, you can understand opera, read the writings of Saint Francis in the original , or La Divina Comedia
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]]> Comment on What are the advantages of learning Italian ? by Chris A2 http://ohalc.com/learning-italian/what-are-the-advantages-of-learning-italian/comment-page-1#comment-22 Chris A2 Wed, 30 Dec 2009 08:44:59 +0000 http://ohalc.com/learning-italian/what-are-the-advantages-of-learning-italian#comment-22 So that if Italy ever invades Ethiopia again, and is actually successful this time, you can brag about knowing a language thats spoken in two whole countries.<br><b>References : </b><br>"Eat, Pray, Love" by Elizabeth Gilbert So that if Italy ever invades Ethiopia again, and is actually successful this time, you can brag about knowing a language thats spoken in two whole countries.
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"Eat, Pray, Love" by Elizabeth Gilbert

]]> Comment on Is it easier to learn spanish before learning how to speak Italian? by Con http://ohalc.com/learning-italian/is-it-easier-to-learn-spanish-before-learning-how-to-speak-italian/comment-page-1#comment-15 Con Wed, 30 Dec 2009 08:36:59 +0000 http://ohalc.com/learning-italian/is-it-easier-to-learn-spanish-before-learning-how-to-speak-italian#comment-15 I think it would be better to learn spanish first, both are similar but it's easier to learn italian once you know spanish<br><b>References : </b><br> I think it would be better to learn spanish first, both are similar but it’s easier to learn italian once you know spanish
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]]> Comment on How hard is it to learn Italian? What about if I am learning it in Italy? by Luca http://ohalc.com/learning-italian/how-hard-is-it-to-learn-italian-what-about-if-i-am-learning-it-in-italy/comment-page-1#comment-35 Luca Wed, 30 Dec 2009 08:33:59 +0000 http://ohalc.com/learning-italian/how-hard-is-it-to-learn-italian-what-about-if-i-am-learning-it-in-italy#comment-35 Hi! I can tell you that... it's right! Italian is hard to lern and if you want to speak this language very well you have to study... I'm an Italian boy and if you want to talk with me I will be happy... have you got msn??? Good bye from Italy!<br><b>References : </b><br> Hi! I can tell you that… it’s right! Italian is hard to lern and if you want to speak this language very well you have to study…
I’m an Italian boy and if you want to talk with me I will be happy… have you got msn???
Good bye from Italy!
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]]> Comment on What are the advantages of learning Italian ? by LOL A http://ohalc.com/learning-italian/what-are-the-advantages-of-learning-italian/comment-page-1#comment-21 LOL A Wed, 30 Dec 2009 08:30:59 +0000 http://ohalc.com/learning-italian/what-are-the-advantages-of-learning-italian#comment-21 "My Chinese parents..." ^^^That's your problem. Chinese parents are ridiculous. If you learn Italian, it can do nothing but help. If you're really interested in Italian culture, learning Italian should be fun. It's not a waste of time if you have fun learning the language. You should travel to Italy sometime to feel the language better and experience the Italian culture.<br><b>References : </b><br> "My Chinese parents…"

^^^That’s your problem. Chinese parents are ridiculous. If you learn Italian, it can do nothing but help. If you’re really interested in Italian culture, learning Italian should be fun. It’s not a waste of time if you have fun learning the language. You should travel to Italy sometime to feel the language better and experience the Italian culture.
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]]> Comment on Is it easier to learn spanish before learning how to speak Italian? by Robert http://ohalc.com/learning-italian/is-it-easier-to-learn-spanish-before-learning-how-to-speak-italian/comment-page-1#comment-14 Robert Wed, 30 Dec 2009 08:05:59 +0000 http://ohalc.com/learning-italian/is-it-easier-to-learn-spanish-before-learning-how-to-speak-italian#comment-14 The real problem is the confusion due to similarity. If you want to learn Italian, go for Italian right now.<br><b>References : </b><br> The real problem is the confusion due to similarity. If you want to learn Italian, go for Italian right now.
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]]> Comment on How hard is it to learn Italian? What about if I am learning it in Italy? by Darko M http://ohalc.com/learning-italian/how-hard-is-it-to-learn-italian-what-about-if-i-am-learning-it-in-italy/comment-page-1#comment-34 Darko M Wed, 30 Dec 2009 07:50:59 +0000 http://ohalc.com/learning-italian/how-hard-is-it-to-learn-italian-what-about-if-i-am-learning-it-in-italy#comment-34 Italian is placed in category 1 language in terms of its closeness to English, meaning, it's one of the easiest languages for anglophone people to learn. Not that it's the easiest one, though. Vocabulary has some similarities (common Latin base - English is even closer to French in terms of spelling). What a native speaker of English can find difficult is verbal conjugation. Italian inherited a complex verb system from Latin, and it has four moods - indicative (tenses: presente, futuro semplice, futuro anteriore, passato prossimo, imperfetto, trapassato prossimo, passato remoto, and (mostly in disuse) trapassato remoto), subjunctive (tenses: presente, passato, imperfetto, trapassato), conditional (tenses: semplice or presente, composto or passato), and imperative (presente). It's a total of 15 tenses that have more than one or two forms for all persons. For example, indicativo presente of the verb 'mangiare' - to eat is 'mangio, mangi, mangia, mangiamo, mangiate, mangiano' as opposed to English 'I/You/We/They eat, He/She/It eats' It's important that you go there and learn the pronunciation and some conversational phrases. It will do you good, that's for sure.<br><b>References : </b><br>Studying Italian. Italian is placed in category 1 language in terms of its closeness to English, meaning, it’s one of the easiest languages for anglophone people to learn. Not that it’s the easiest one, though.

Vocabulary has some similarities (common Latin base – English is even closer to French in terms of spelling).

What a native speaker of English can find difficult is verbal conjugation. Italian inherited a complex verb system from Latin, and it has four moods – indicative (tenses: presente, futuro semplice, futuro anteriore, passato prossimo, imperfetto, trapassato prossimo, passato remoto, and (mostly in disuse) trapassato remoto), subjunctive (tenses: presente, passato, imperfetto, trapassato), conditional (tenses: semplice or presente, composto or passato), and imperative (presente).

It’s a total of 15 tenses that have more than one or two forms for all persons. For example, indicativo presente of the verb ‘mangiare’ – to eat is ‘mangio, mangi, mangia, mangiamo, mangiate, mangiano’ as opposed to English ‘I/You/We/They eat, He/She/It eats’

It’s important that you go there and learn the pronunciation and some conversational phrases. It will do you good, that’s for sure.
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Studying Italian.

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